Attendees: Bruce Dumes, Eric Splaver, Eric Manacsa, Rex Lorenzo, Mike Franks
Summary
Eric Splaver went over College Information System projects that are under development and in production, including the TurnItIn.com project, and we started to discuss priiorities in web service efforts.
Rough Notes:
- Mike mentioned that we're going to try using my.ucla groups and their forums for UCLA Programmers (public) and Help Desk Federation (private).
- in excess of 50% of faculty use my.ucla every day
- Turn it In.com will start in Spring
my.ucla.edu projects
- Timesheet application available outside of college
- any way to have list of who updates Telecomm directory
- workaround for gradebook faculty who don't want to be in campus
- article in Bruin last week about UCLA Directory being public instead private like some universities
my.ucla
cis.ucla.edu - projects link
CIS Projects see development and in production lists
only went over stuff of interest to consortium
developing new calendar
new notification system, user will define profile of how to receive messages, SMS, Instant Message, cell phone message, etc.
now popups when you log into my.ucla
already archived notifications
can find out how many saw your notification
don't want users to think they're being spammed
hype a class category - they get a lot of them - toyed with having separate "cool classes" area there that instructors could add immediately
Email form to request notifications, need week's notice.
redesigning my.ucla portal
- mention and quick discussion of coming UCLA Visual Identity Guidelines
my.ucla will offer Rules and Regulations - know if student is on probation, and everything about them. Makes sense to show them rules.
Services page - redesign
Workshop management tools and signups - works for staff too?
updating webmail - linux based
CMS gradebook service and tied course service
moving forward on adding CMS modular functionality to my.ucla
with web services
Degree Audit System - huge UTIP project
uses backend DARS (Degree Audit Reporting System from Miami University in Ohio) engine
client server based architecture
goal is to deliver degree audits as xml stream
huge finance server database
requests for features in my.ucla or desktop counselor
students and counselors schedule appts with each other
support for orientation program
executive office of College - apps for commencement
special studies enrollment system - by Fall, online enrollment for special arranged classes, internships.
series of direct links to gradebook
* Can we get a list of these? Not sure all of them should be widely publicized.
Turnitin.com plagiarism website - UCLA has paid an annual fee to provide access. Need to know certain passwords and join codes. Eric is administrator for UCLA. Beginning Spring 2004 my.ucla will provide some value-add to this.
system that provides originality reports that get submitted to turnitin.com. Turnitin.com compares it to enormous database of other papers. smart compare and instructor gets a visual response.
Students can see results.
Is there an api? Yes, because Eric met with founder of company and worked out one.
UCLA bought rights only for plagiarism checking.
By using my.ucla interface, manage turnitin.com accounts at class level.
Students will be able to submit papers via my.ucla provided link.
Accept PDF, Word, text, cut and paste and what other formats? Up to 2MB in size, 150,000 characters. Images in docs won't be compared.
Papers submitted by student get stored in database for comparison with others.
*is there interest in feeding SSC's homework board into this for them.
API offers only these functions:
create account, create a class, enroll in a class. Nothing about submitting papers.
Professors can submit papers on behalf of a student.
Chemistry Dept started using this two years ago on individual basis. Found that number of plagiarism cases they've found has increased.
Critical that students understand that something is being submitted to turnitin.com
one class, one instructor, could be TA
Faculty member can remove paper.
Side by side viewing of paper and matching paper.
*Can we get a web service listing which classes using turnitin.com through my.ucla and possibly directly through turnitin.com? Eric will check into this.
Order of submittal makes a difference. First paper is considered original.
Begin process of developing web services. Prioritize.
notifications
emails to class
calendaring
forum
chat rooms
tied classes - srdb is logical storehouse for this service, but their status is up in the air because of data warehouse
gradebook service
review and explanation of "tied classes"
need to get extra emails into my.ucla rostermail
discussion of old reference system goal in light of SAKAI and new Engineering system
focus should be on building the plumbing, the infrastructure, the connecting web service
about 1,000 rostermails per day in my.ucla
Next Meeting: Wed 24 March, 2002 10am-12pm 2041 Public Policy Bldg. All are welcome!
SAKAI Educational Partners Program (SEPP) Conference Call
2004/03/15 11-12 5907 MSA
This was the first conference call to let the partners know the schedule and start getting feedback. They'll continue monthly or more often. The forums on the SAKAI website are the online discussion and contact method of choice.
Rough Notes
[anyone have list of all the universities on the line?]
Have 22 SEPP partners - and Mellon wants them to have many more
Columbia - authorization - have 1.0 release work seamlessly with CHEF and uPortal, and eventually with authz OSID. Will record results in white paper. 2-3 weeks.
Jim Farmer - community liaison for SEPP
Mark Norton - senior developer for SEPP
Joseph Hardin - head of SAKAI - from Michigan
Chuck - head designer for SAKAI
Brian Dively - administrator for SEPP
Conference Schedule
June 23-25 late aft wed through Fri aft
Westin Tabor? Center in Downtown Denver
2 developers from each SEPP partner and as many administrators as want to come. First face-to-face with all partners.
2 tracks:
technology track
adoption and strategic issues track
intro to SAKAI 1.0 (to be released June 15th) and Technology Portability Profile
Conference is to transmit info as much as possible and as quickly as possible to partners.
Partners can make presentations.
Berkeley questions:
developing gradebook and looking to work with uPortal. Should they use uPortal's authn and authz for Fall testing. Best thing is to write to OKI not uPortal or CHEF.
Hope to have authz and authn in release 1.0 of SAKAI.
uPortal 2.3? still on target for April? Delivered to SAKAI on March 6th. First that will handle JSR168. Delivered.
Paul Bergen - Harvard - room at conference to talk about how to leverage non-Java apps?
Jim Farmer - topic brought up several times. Jeff Merriman suggested additional TPP for those "perforration points" to connect to other languages. Tufts
Chuck Severance - Framework white paper might give people context for this discussion. Personally interested in this. Many interested in bringing in one or two tools from other non-Java apps. Can we release this paper soon?
Mark should act as point person for this. Tell him what is going on, what we need.
Jim - after June - want to help this A LOT. After base stuff is out there, this is something they could work on. Need to get base agreement.
If Mark gets this group together to express wishes together in 15 page white paper. (Their standard for recording.)
Chuck Severance - at some point soon, TPP doc will become public. If there's something in there that sticks in somebody's craw, tell them now. It will be a lot harder to change in 30 days.
Go to SAKAI project org site, then will be directed to CHEF project.
Everybody in SEPP should be getting these by email.
Berkeley question: how to make comments on docs? On forum is best, Mark monitors itself many times a day and will relay to architecture committee.
Forum now exists. Sakaiproject.org, button for Partners in upper right hand side. Need to create an account. Then email Brian who will turn account on.
Berkeley question on Navigo system migrating to SAKAI, schedule, technology, etc? Chuck - right now will allow Navigo to finish and be installed in Stanford and Indiana May 15, then will make it part of 1.0 release on June 15th.
March 29th release of list of expected functionality. - Rob, Indiana - working on this.
What CHEF and Navigo have now is good first cut of what list will look like.
Berekeley - any way partners can coordinate and share functional requirements. In SAKAI 1.0 will release CHEF 2.0 tools and Navigo tools.
1.0 is just to prove that they can connect all the pieces.
Functional requirements - send to Mark.
Sounds like there could be a functional requirements group in SEPP. Want condensed info from SEPP partners that they can look at alongside core list.
Need somebody to compare lists and place priorities.
large effort in just normalization of terminology.
pre-July and post-July paradigm shot. Post July will fire up 20 core developers. After July tools team won't be on hot seat.
Tom Lewis - Washington - functional requirements list - doing list in parallel doesn't make sense?
Jim Farmer - commenting on Rob's work - 3 parts
1 -
2 - comparison of tools?
3 - ranking by priority
Kathy - Wisconsin - propose waiting for Rob's report and collect info from partners in prep for June conference
Tom Lewis - how Shibboleth friendly will SAKAI be? Project at Yale implementing Shibboleth.
Can provide Howard Gilbert's comments about that project and how Shibboleth would work. Will email to group.
eAuthentication at RSA Conference a couple weeks ago.
In terms of federation, will require some support of Shibboleth and eAuthenticaion.
SAKAI 1.0 will allow any web server single-signon authentication can work.
conference call every month? Joseph - about same time next month? Send suggestions to discussion area. Would like to have comments about meeting itself and what should be done differently. More often than once a month fine too.
Get list of conf call participants.
Syllabus this month has article on SAKAI and for C's of Open Source
Navigo is Mellon Grant - big assessment tool - if there's a web survey tool it would be there.
Attendees: Pete Nielsen, Joseph Vaughan, Michelle Lew, Julie McFann, Ruth Sabean, Howard Kim, Kumar, ?? (Psych), Dawn Canfield, Eric Manacsa, Mike Franks, Eric Splaver, Bruce Dumes
Agenda:
- Gradebook Data Interchange - Eric Splaver
- Portfolio Project - Eric Splaver
- SCORM update - Dawn Canfield
- Recruitment and collaboration update
- How to make this consortium more productive?
- SAKAI RFP update - Joseph Vaughan
- Java Workshop
- Data Warehouse update
Notes:
Gradebook Data Interchange - Eric Splaver
- not currently working on it because know of no clients that want to work with it
- working closely with Engineering on other aspects
- how about reopening discussions with Astronomy and Physics, who have a gradebook of their own?
how to spread the word about web services that exist and are being built
- could use my.ucla calendars, forums, etc.
- link from iCompass
Portfolio - Eric Splaver
example - http://eric.with.ucla.edu/
Julie McFann - English Depts use a lot of portfolios
useful for tenure
State of Wisconsin? - has said everyone in state will get an electronic portfolio
assumption is that owner of portfolio has admin toolkit which defines access
Eric applying for grant to OID, with Rob Gould and Jackson Beatty are co-PI's - would plan for WInter 2005
can be used to certify that certain was done at a certain time
portfolio portability standards? - emerging standards. OSPI
a lot of value comes out when instructors take this on
Can it be lifetime service? a lot of private firms have gone into business to do this in last year or two.
Julie - portfolios are a tremendous learning tool, whether in a course, or across. Primary benefit is learning that takes place in process of organizing portfolio. Has to be flexible because students will have different needs.
SCORM
Dawn Canfield
No Mac tools so far.
IMS Standard for defining Metadata
http://www.imsglobal.org/metadata/imsmdv1p2p1/imsmd_infov1p2p1.html
Tools to create Scorm objects:
http://www.adlnet.org/
https://www.hunterstone.com/hsstore/
And Macromedia Flash - looks promising, but the rep couldn't show it at
Education day.
The Digital Library project:
http://digidev.library.ucla.edu/ratscia/
What SCORM objects look like in Bb 6
http://www.lsic.ucla.edu/classes/lifesci/temp/scorm_test.html login as dawnc, password=changeit (OK to show)
Hope to test SCORM in Bb Enterprise version soon for Psych 116 (offered
Winter or Spring 05)
Talking to UNEX later this month.
Library anxious to collaborate with other instructors and their learning
objects that might be part of teaching
Would love to have WebCT Vista admin involved. Maybe some other campus has one? Santa Cruz
Joseph - CDH two instructors might start using SCORM African Art and Korean Art
could we have workshop on what learning objects are? online tutorial?
Recruitment
contact VOH community
possible SIANME Forum
Ruth might host calendar on my.ucla
Collaboration
5907 MSA 11am SAKAI Conference Call
SAKAI Update
Joseph reported on intention to respond to SAKAI RFP and there was some discussion about availability of funding. Clarification is that there isn't much money.
Java Workshop - see Ruth's email. She and Joseph have talked to Extension and Prof. Li who teaches PIC course. Possible JavaDoc workshop.
Are we losing focus on the plumbing? FCET assumes we are still working on that. And SAKAI will need it as well.
After meeting extras:
PHP has section on integrating Java: Section XLVII http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/php4/ref.java.html
mysql website has paper on using database and webdav and xml
webdav at Educause
web based tool to manipulate .htaccess files.
"almost open source" $300 tool.
Attendees: Rex Lorenzo, Albert Wu, Jose Garcia, Howard Kim, Charles Harvey (Design|Media Arts), Alan Wood
Notes:
review of cms workgroup for Howard
SAKAI RFP
CVS - Jose demoed it, PHP ISIS client code is posted.
http://cvs.programmers.ucla.edu/
ISIS and adding other login types using standard web service interface. By May, Albert hopes to have it working in test mode.
Explained
Howard Kim described Anderson Perl CMS
Details of response to SAKAI RFP.
Alan said his chair would be very interested in multi-school tools for sharing, because they do that now with cobbled together tools.
JBOSS?
Went through tasklist - explained to new members
Mike will update it with today's notes.
Coding standards -
Albert will send coding standards doc - specifically written for Java or .Net
Normalized description
templates very useful -
deployment and testing templates, e.g. talk to firewall guys, system support folks, etc.
JavaDoc requirement
UML Use Cases
Data Warehouse - how much will Enterprise Directory provide?
Enterprise Directory - end of calendar year target to have directory up in trial mode
Can start testing technical structure now - Shibboleth
Burton group draft - Albert reviewing it and publish it to group.
Interviews have stopped.
Storage side will be LDAP, prefer that web apps use Shibboleth for better security.
Shibboleth currently working in Sandbox. There's Apache Mod and ISAPI code available.
Plan to Shibbolize UC4Pay?, BenCom - in theory in 5 months time you could log into BenCom using ISIS.
CLICC labs uses BAM (CTS written app to authenticate against BOL)
Shibboleth is based on HTTP and uses redirects extensively. This conflicts with SAKAI uPortal approach as it doesn't work in channel mode. Shibboleth is very aware of this problem and are working on it. In close contact
Data Warehouse discussion of Monday's meeting
XML tools
InfoPath is Microsoft's XML tool
XMLspy
Docbooks - is open source XML tool - get link from Freshmeat
Oxygen - Java app XML editor
Look at Forrest at http://xml.apache.org site Look at Cocoon.
Albert suggests a project oriented view. Sourceforge like framework for cvs.programmers.ucla.eduHelix community project site - indecipherable to anyone not deeply involved.
Alan suggests that putting context for each item on consortium technology page
Sandbox has a project page, with a requirement of updated status and description.
Shibboleth holds conferences 3 times a year.
XML workshop? Use ISIS web service as an example.
e.g. Authentication credential put into header not body, which made it a lot harder for new SOAP programmers. Is there an ISIS FAQ?
SOAP protocol is a routing protocol, not a point to point protocol.
Albert will plan and hold one.
Shibboleth workshop?
Alan's group does weekly workshops. Good to have alist of all workshops you want to offer, then prioritize. Also, good to invite campus, but limit to 10.
Alan would like to do one on Pxe? at his shop.
AIS has a Java programmer Tony Merriweather - if interested in really indepth Java discussions.
Attendees: Jose Hales-Garcia, Mike Franks
Notes:
- discussed CVS versus Subversion for Jose's task of identifying and setting up version control system for programs we develop and share. Leaning toward CVS because it's so widespread and can fit with LDAP easily. See CVS project page for more details as this progresses.
- discussed SAKAI RFP and what it would take to have a Consortium response.
- brainstormed how to make sure things get done in in the Consortium. Some ideas (Mike added some of these later.):
1 go through task list at each meeting?
2 require taskholder to give regular reports to CMS Workgroup or FCET?
3 set up project wiki page for each project as way to log notes, problems, etc.
We have a few of these so far at Task Pages List. Though you can see
that the Task List has much more on it.
4 recruit more members
5 collaborate with other UCs more actively (If someone else is doing something, and will share it, we don't need to do it.)